06:42 wfryer : ok i am here in the chat
06:42 ustreamer-11409 : Ginger, Was Charlie in Alvarado, TX?
06:43 ustreamer-11409 : Ah El Dorado, my audio was a lttle muffled
06:45 ustreamer-11409 : @Wes, great post this morning about ScreenFlow this morning I downloaded it and started to learn it.
06:45 ustreamer-11409 : Let's do a pot luck at the next Edubloggercon
06:46 ChanBliss : My school site http://tiny.pl/2lwn
06:47 wfryer : http://theworld.org/
06:49 wfryer : http://www.voki.com/
06:50 Downes : Funny - saw the live broadcast in my RSS Reader (Google Reader)
06:51 Downes : No, TV is on here (other people in the room)
06:51 ustreamer-29570 : Hi everyone dedra from oklahoma
06:51 ustreamer-29570 : YEs
06:52 GingerTPLC : Hi Dedra and Stephen!
06:52 Downes : LOL
06:52 ustreamer-29570 : Hey Ginger! Thanks for the link up via plurk
06:52 GingerTPLC : you know that's what this is about!
06:53 GingerTPLC : Why are YOU all here for the Story Chasers discussion?
06:53 wfryer : if anyone would like to be brought into the skype call, launch skype and type your skype ID into the chat
06:53 ustreamer-29570 : great, I knew wes was working on stroy chasers and thought I would hear more
06:57 GingerTPLC : To change your name in this chat from ustreamer, put in /nick
07:00 CLykowski : Hello everyone
07:01 wfryer : hi cheryl!
07:01 CLykowski : Hey Wes How are you tonight?
07:01 wfryer : i'll dial you into the skype cheryl
07:01 wfryer : good!
07:01 CLykowski : ok
07:02 GingerTPLC : www.artsnacks.org but it is a private space, so we'll ahve to approve you.
07:02 Downes : ck, lime green and blue? Ouch
07:02 ustreamer-39174 : hey cheryl!
07:02 mrsdurff-5572 : hi!
07:02 GingerTPLC : ooh no. just http://artsnacks.org
07:02 GingerTPLC : hi durff and Cheryl!
07:03 CLykowski : Hi Ginger and Durff
07:03 johnpeters : hey i finally got ito the chat window
07:03 CLykowski : @Downes yes battery-operated colors
07:03 Downes : LOL
07:03 dedra : thanks Ginger..
07:03 mrsdurff-5572 : to change your name in the chatroom type; "/nick yournamee" without the quotes
07:04 mrsdurff-5572 : usually 8 in skpe
07:04 wfryer : ok cool, thanks Lisa
07:04 mrsdurff-5572 : $5
07:05 wfryer : you accept paypal, Lisa? :-)
07:05 mrsdurff-5572 : :)
07:05 mrsdurff-5572 : i work for Starbucks
07:06 wfryer : http://www.studenttelevision.com/
07:06 mrsdurff-5572 : yes audio good
07:07 GingerTPLC : and it's more accessible to everyone, regardless of location
07:07 kcaise : that is an awesome site
07:08 GingerTPLC : kids really LOVE the local and seem to really plug into that.
07:09 CLykowski : My students presented to school brd last spring-blew them away
07:09 wfryer : some themes are very transcendent - immigration is an example
07:09 kcaise : it is more meaningful and relevant by viewing local news?
07:10 mrsdurff-5572 : my principal's daughter collaborated with a kid in bangkok and is still talking about it 3+ yrs later
07:10 mrsdurff-5572 : so the more global contacts the merrier
07:10 GingerTPLC : @durff Yes, those 1:1 connections are very powerful when they really connect
07:11 wfryer : so maybe we share segments and entire shows
07:11 ChanBliss : I'm sure a board member would love to tell their story. We have an election coming up and I bet they would love to talk.
07:11 ustreamer-32186 : @Wes, would you re-invite me to the skypechat, I had to change computers
07:11 Downes : Student Televisioon Netwoprk looks pretty cool
07:11 GingerTPLC : I think it's a good idea to balance both, especially when the life of the school is on the line (charter)
07:14 GingerTPLC : oooh! What a great idea, Chan!
07:15 GingerTPLC : getting the stories is nice, but the skills of being able to ask good questions that allow an interviewee to say what you want them to is important
07:15 mrsdurff-5572 : critical thinking on your feet
07:15 GingerTPLC : that is a skill very few people have
07:15 GingerTPLC : including me!
07:16 Downes : I generally dislike codes of ethics... you ca't condense ethical behaviour into a few simple rules
07:16 mrsdurff-5572 : including me - i just stutter
07:16 DBragg : me too - but it helps to practice
07:16 dedra : crum I got kicked off.. I back
07:17 Downes : Please do not equate the internet with guns - there is no comparison
07:17 mrsdurff-5572 : everyone has a story - sharing them is key
07:17 kcaise : both can be weapons
07:17 GingerTPLC : maybe the ritual of learning is a right of passage?
07:17 dedra : mrsdurff is so right
07:18 Downes : No - guns *are* weapons -- the internet is a communications tool
07:19 mrsdurff-5572 : ethics = show respect for everyone; do nothing you would not share with your grandmother (usually a good thermometer for kids)
07:19 ChanBliss : I like the grandmother idea
07:19 Downes : I agree that we should show people the correct way to use the tools -- but that is very different from *telling* them the correct way -- model good behaviour, don't try to prescribe it with a set of sentences
07:20 mrsdurff-5572 : worked so far
07:20 wfryer : yes, modeling is what we have a big opportunity to do here with this project idea
07:20 mrsdurff-5572 : how about both stephen?
07:20 Downes : The grabndmother rule has the same problem as the golden rule -- it doesn't on people who don't care
07:20 ustreamer-32186 : http://tinyurl.com/55ssco The code of conduct I developed for my students
07:20 mrsdurff-5572 : true
07:21 CLykowski : @Downes I try to model every tool we use and deal with issues as teachable moments
07:21 mrsdurff-5572 : so what would you suggest stephen?
07:21 Downes : mrsdurff, you'll find that if you use both, you set up contradictoons, because the code of ethics creates a black-white system of ethics when tactual practice is far more nuanced
07:21 CLykowski : just like when I start a new genre of writing-I model
07:21 Downes : As I said, model appropriate behaviour
07:22 Downes : Celebrate the things that are good
07:22 Downes : minimize the attention paid to things you don't like
07:22 Downes : (It's the old mantra - don't reward bad behaviour with attention)
07:22 mrsdurff-5572 : my paradigm is overtly Christian and I DO see it in terms of black-white
07:22 wfryer : good point: that's the "don't talk about an elephant" idea. You talk about it, people focus on it
07:22 ustreamer-23332 : skype - hshawjr
07:22 dedra : PSA's are easy ways for teachers that are a little overwhelmd to jump in.
07:23 wfryer : ok hshawjr
07:23 Downes : yes well MrsDurff you may want to think about that - not the Christian part, but the b/w part
07:24 ustreamer-23332 : thanks
07:24 DBragg : the problem with think b/w is it is a gray, gray world
07:24 GingerTPLC : I think it's important to let the kids see as many facets as possible, then talk about + - of each. I'm for letting the kids make their own decisions.
07:24 johnpeters : @WFryer along with the code of ethics I think the idea of a parent permssion form letting the students and parents know from the onset what conduct is acceptable is needed
07:24 mrsdurff-5572 : we use such at our school - it is a Christian school which admittedly may have different viewpoints
07:24 DBragg : we all need to learn to embrace the shades of gray
07:25 GingerTPLC : Hi Harold!
07:25 ustreamer-23332 : hi
07:26 ustreamer-23332 : bounced out of skype, too much feedback
07:27 GingerTPLC : sorry. This triple task is not easy to juggle at first.
07:27 CLykowski : @john I was always very upfront w/parents about projects and gave options they were very appreciative and on board w/projects
07:27 wfryer : we need parent permission form
07:27 Downes : well, consider some of the rules in Christianity... 'thou shalt not kill' for example - seems pretty b/w - but many Christians support capital punishment, ohers support war, almsot all support self-defense - 'thpu shalt not kill' more like 'thou shalt not kill without proper paperwork'... it *is* vg
07:27 ustreamer-23332 : Hi GingerTPLC havent been around for awhile
07:27 Downes : it *os* vague, and it's misleading to suggest otherwise
07:27 mrsdurff-5572 : you are correct
07:28 CLykowski : Ning is blocked by district
07:28 mrsdurff-5572 : really? why?
07:28 Downes : Something much more accurate - and probably more appropriate to the meaning of Christianity is 'respect for life' - but now this isn't something you can describe in a set of rules
07:29 mrsdurff-5572 : would that be specific enough for children?
07:29 Downes : (Can you tell, Wes, that I used to teach philosophy as well?)
07:30 mrsdurff-5572 : it shines through
07:30 Downes : Mrsduff - I think your children are learning from the very specific example of your behviour much more than the falsely specific instances of rules and edicts
07:30 GingerTPLC : I like leaving local control open, with central guidelines.
07:31 wfryer : so we could have suggested guidelines
07:31 wfryer : we want teachers, students and parents talking about ethics
07:31 mrsdurff-5572 : you are so correct - even in public school they all knew ... amazing to me
07:31 DBragg : modelling is imporatant but having a positive converstation can be important too
07:31 Downes : don't have uidelines -- point to exemplars, paradigm cases
07:32 DBragg : I like to include parents in that conversation too
07:32 Downes : You want your students to learn good jorunalism, play them old Edward R. Murrow broadcasts (in this age of CNN and Fox News, they have no live examples of ethiocal journalism)
07:32 ChanBliss : Buy\
07:32 mrsdurff-5572 : Kids haven't progressed up Kolb's levels though (it is Kolb isn't it?)
07:33 ChanBliss : bye bye, gotta go pick up my son
07:33 wfryer : yes, mentorship would be great
07:33 wfryer : bye chan!
07:33 Downes : @DBragg - yes - having a conversation is valuable - that is distinct from edicts
07:34 GingerTPLC : and maybe those of us who do that can gather ethics ideas from them to suggest to central Story Chasers
07:34 Downes : kids, even infants, mimic adult behaviour, mimic what they see in society and media
07:34 CLykowski : I have a local anchor that was a parent at our school (kids have moved onto jr high) I am in contact w/her already
07:34 omyers : I found a page with Journalism ethics Codes:http://journalism.org/resources/ethics_codes
07:34 GingerTPLC : Thanks @omyers!
07:34 Downes : have students in malaysia ask the same questions...
07:35 GingerTPLC : and if we go global! Yes @downes
07:35 GingerTPLC : French journalists NEVER ask politicians about their religious beliefs.
07:36 wfryer : so maybe we should let people register on the site as storychaser mentors?
07:36 ustreamer-23332 : gotta go - thank you for letting me listen bye
07:36 mrsdurff-5572 : that is a cultural thing to which story chasers need to be sensitive i think
07:37 Downes : @wfryer - you'd probably have to recruit them - but yes
07:37 mrsdurff-5572 : i wonder how many cultural differences there would be
07:37 wfryer : career linkages
07:38 wfryer : yes, i love that idea: tell the story about your career
07:38 mrsdurff-5572 : interviews of people in specific careers
07:38 Downes : Quite large mrsdurff - when I'm in the U.S. I really do feel like I'm in a foreign country - media in the U.S. is *very* different from Canada
07:38 mrsdurff-5572 : and germany
07:38 CLykowski : brb
07:39 GingerTPLC : inventors?
07:39 mrsdurff-5572 : interview of inventors?
07:39 fceblog : @Downes my students in Argentina wouldn't tell the difference so easily. It's all in English, therefore, similar.
07:40 wfryer : telling the story of constructive school reform
07:40 CLykowski : back
07:41 GingerTPLC : but I don't think the kids are terribly interested. It's "oh well, not a big deal."
07:41 Downes : interviewing inventors is a good idea... even interviewing gas station workers is good - document this, they'll be gone in our childrens' lifetimes
07:41 GingerTPLC : so maybe we could have someone else chase that story
07:41 GingerTPLC : LOVE that idea.
07:42 Downes : (gets back to the idea of respecting life -- respecting lives)
07:42 mrsdurff-5572 : yeah, remember the attendents in gas stations who actually filled one's gas tank, checked oil, washed window?
07:42 ustreamer-41800 : How about a NIng?
07:42 johnpeters : Ning,Wkispaces, PB Wiki?
07:43 DBragg : a wiki might be better if the access is better in schools
07:43 mrsdurff-5572 : will there be one central place?
07:43 GingerTPLC : http://storychasers.org/
07:43 dedra : thanks Ginger
07:43 mrsdurff-5572 : thanks
07:44 GingerTPLC : I gotchyer back!
07:44 CLykowski : I added the segments and storyboard my students use for their broadcast
07:44 DBragg : gotta run
07:44 GingerTPLC : bye @Dbragg!
07:45 wfryer : if anyone else would like to join our skype call, please put your skype ID into the chat or message me directly in skype at wfryer
07:45 GingerTPLC : would like to see, again, local control where we can embed and or link within the central storychasers site.
07:45 GingerTPLC : that way we can see all sorts of different methods, tools, skills and we can grow from that!
07:45 wfryer : yes, I think local control needs to be an overarching theme
07:45 johnpeters : @Cheryl could you share your storyboards with us? I have used them in that past but didn't like the format of the one I was using.
07:45 wfryer : cheryl posted her storyboards to the storychasers.org site I think
07:46 johnpeters : Thanks
07:46 mrsdurff-5572 : why not generate a list of possible activities for storychasers?
07:46 wfryer : I am going to add a wiki module to the drupal site tonight or tomorrow
07:46 wfryer : great idea lisa: yes, a list of stories to chase
07:46 GingerTPLC : Cheryl's stuff on SC site: http://storychasers.org/?q=node/28
07:46 CLykowski : Thanks Ginger ;-)
07:46 Downes : Just for the record - I am *much* smarter than a fifth grader... just had to put that in
07:47 mrsdurff-5572 : i figured that
07:47 Downes : Nothing against fifth graders... it's just, they're 12, 13...
07:47 CLykowski : @Downes LOL You can choose something from our prize box
07:47 Downes : woo hoo! I choose Gumby!
07:47 mrsdurff-5572 : :)
07:47 CLykowski : LOL We do have a gumby doll
07:47 mrsdurff-5572 : oi veh
07:47 Downes : I knew it... because, as I said, I am smarter than...
07:47 Downes : *giggle*
07:48 mrsdurff-5572 : http://edtechtalk.com/lee_baber
07:48 GingerTPLC : picking your nose?
07:49 GingerTPLC : you haven't
07:49 mguhlin : Cowlick needs to go!
07:49 CLykowski : LOL Ginger that's exactly what I was thinking
07:49 Downes : LOL, yeah, don't do that
07:49 wfryer : actionable: add a wiki
07:49 johnpeters : Setting up some digital story categories
07:49 kcaise : now miguel
07:49 mrsdurff-5572 : MIGUEL!
07:49 Downes : Actually, he needs a shave too
07:49 wfryer : actionable: stories to chase
07:49 mguhlin : Oops...I didn't mean it. No audio for me. I'm running out the door.
07:49 GingerTPLC : ideas of people resources to learn how to gather a story
07:49 CLykowski : He does have a 50'clock shadow
07:50 mguhlin : National Storychasing Day?
07:50 mguhlin : International?
07:50 mguhlin : Sorry if someone said that already
07:50 johnpeters : local history would be great, students could share sotries of the hometowns, schools,etc
07:50 GingerTPLC : Consider general ethics pieces with chasing stories
07:50 GingerTPLC : get input from ethics experts, including journalists
07:51 CLykowski : as a take-off from gas station I live close to Detroit
07:51 wfryer : actionable: allow site registration as a storychaser mentor
07:51 johnpeters : Getting the word out about Storychasers
07:52 GingerTPLC : we haven't talked about the actual moving kids to stories other than virtually
07:52 wfryer : actionable: we need a banner for storychasers
07:52 mrsdurff-5572 : Mentors list - one to one classrooms?
07:52 fceblog : What kind of voice would the storychaser have? A reporter? A witness? Sharing their experiences? Just wondering.
07:52 GingerTPLC : @fceblog yes? all of the above? depending on the story and purpose
07:53 mrsdurff-5572 : so that is really two things
07:53 CLykowski : Ginger I agree it will depend on the story being chased different stories have different pov
07:53 fceblog : Claudia Ceraso
07:53 mrsdurff-5572 : that's claudia
07:53 GingerTPLC : hi Claudia!
07:54 GingerTPLC : I like having various viewpoints on maybe the same story
07:54 Downes : I have to run... thanks Wes, interesting experiment, which worked quite well... good discussion, too
07:54 Downes : Bye
07:54 GingerTPLC : Bye Stephen!
07:54 wfryer : thanks for joining Stephen!
07:54 johnpeters : I love the idea of the student doing the reporting, it engages them and is authentic
07:54 fceblog : First thing that comes to my mind is that students would copy the model from reporters they know in their own countries. Culturaly loaded role.
07:54 mrsdurff-5572 : gtg get ready...see you all at http://edtechtalk.com/live i hope
07:55 wfryer : actionable: share permission forms
07:55 GingerTPLC : @fceblog and that's not bad. They learn by role models. But then it's the teacher/facilitators role to expand their ideas and peramerters
07:55 CLykowski : do you want me to add my permission form from last yr for tech projects?
07:55 kcaise : release forms for people interviewed, filmed, etc?
07:55 GingerTPLC : Yes Cheryl!
07:55 kcaise : yes
07:56 CLykowski : mine was based on doing my thesis so had college requirement lingo but good
07:56 wfryer : optimal ambiguity
07:57 CLykowski : 4000 gigs? woo
07:57 GingerTPLC : equipment possibilities? I want my kids to have broadband cards for sharing info on the go.
07:57 johnpeters : Make and embedable StoryChasers baner to use, just waanted to put it into the notes for reference
07:58 CLykowski : schooltube?
07:58 mguhlin : edublogs.tv is better!
07:58 mguhlin : just needs rss feed
07:58 wfryer : actionable: options for posting
07:58 GingerTPLC : family duties call here to. I need to go home! ;-)
07:58 kcaise : duty calls wes
07:58 dougsymington : actionable: bedtime story
07:59 CLykowski : I'm tired from sniffing paint fumes
07:59 CLykowski : I'm ready for bedtime story
07:59 ustreamer-41800 : thank you so much
07:59 GingerTPLC : Thank you all!
07:59 dedra : Thanks all This was a good discussion
07:59 fceblog : Learning a lot from hearing your thoughts. Thank you for this.
07:59 wfryer : thanks for joining us dedra!
08:00 GingerTPLC : Love my Plurk buddies!
08:00 dougsymington : yes, thanks for sharing process--great learning opp for all
08:00 wfryer : actionable: everyone please join the storychasers.org learning community, and post a blog entry about your thinking about the project at this point!
08:00 ustreamer-41800 : night
08:01 CLykowski : way cool
08:01 GingerTPLC : can't wait to keep the ball rolling!
08:01 kcaise : thanks wes and all for setting this up
08:02 CLykowski : Thanks Wes
08:02 johnpeters : Great Job, See everyone later!
08:02 dedra : good job Wes see you in Mustang soon!
08:02 dedra : Yep
08:02 dedra : bye
08:02 dougsymington : thanks all, take care
08:02 CLykowski : good nite all
08:03 fceblog : 10.00 pm here in Buenos Aires. Night all.
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